THIRD WAVE PODCAST

What Quarantine and Psychedelics Share in Common

Episode 98

Marcela Ot'alora

In this episode, Paul F. Austin, founder of Third Wave, and Marcela Ot’alora, researcher and MDMA therapist, discuss some unexpected similarities in the insights gained through isolation and psychedelic experiences.

Marcela Ot’alora is a researcher, artist, and MDMA therapist dedicated to the treatment of trauma. She was a co-therapist in the first government approved MDMA-assisted psychotherapy study in Madrid, Spain and is the Principal Investigator of the Phase 2 and 3 MDMA-assisted psychotherapy trials in Boulder, Colorado.

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Podcast Highlights

  • Morita therapy and isolation as related to COVID quarantine.
  • The privilege of pondering the essentials.
  • Making connections even in isolation.
  • The similarities between realizations attained in isolation and through psychedelics.
  • Grandiosity and ego inflation vs. awareness of collective suffering.
  • Creating a safe space for psychedelic therapy.
  • Giving ourselves permission to feel.
  • The importance of “cleaning our spaces.”
  • Discovering what really matters.
  • The grounding effect of plant medicines.

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