The Third Wave Podcast

Reframing Psychedelics

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The Third Wave Podcast takes a fresh look at the world of psychedelics, listening to the stories of people both in the psychedelic fringe and in mainstream society. We want to share how psychedelics are impacting the lives of people from all walks of life.

By revealing and unraveling the vast range of psychedelic experiences, we plan to explore various aspects of psychedelia.

Episode 1: Jesse Jarnow

We speak to Jesse Jarnow, author of Heads: A Biography of Psychedelic America. Jesse talks about his experiences growing up with drug prohibition, psychedelic literature and the Grateful Dead. We hear about Jesse’s favourite moments in the psychedelic history of America, and we find out how musicians, artists and chemists contributed to the psychedelic culture of the 1960s and 70s. Jesse gives us his opinion on the prospects of the growing psychedelic movement in America.

Episode 2: Brad Burge

Our guest is Brad Burge; Director of Communication and Marketing at MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. Brad talks to us about his own experiences with psychedelics and how they helped him overcome bipolar disorder. Brad explains MAPS’ current work to get psychedelics approved by the FDA for various therapies, especially MDMA for the treatment of PTSD. Brad tells us what this means for the future of ‘Big Pharma’, the psychedelic movement, and our approach towards mental health.

Episode 3: Jag Davies

We talk to Jag Davies from the Drug Policy Alliance, and learn about why the legalisation of psychedelics requires an open dialogue around the harms of criminalisation. Jag tells us that if we rely on the approval of psychedelic therapy, psychedelics may only become available for a privileged few, continuing the marginalisation of those who have been left behind by decades of prohibition.

Episode 4: Dr Stephen Bright

Our guest is Dr Stephen Bright, co-founder of PRISM and a leading psychedelic researcher in Australia. Stephen talks to us about the problems facing the psychedelic movement in Australia, where a conservative government perpetuates a ‘Pathological Paradigm’ that rewards negative views on drugs. Stephen tells us how the future of drug policy in Australia depends on research, the media, and a shift in popular opinion.

Episode 5: Gay Dillingham

Our guest is Gay Dillingham: filmmaker, environmentalist and producer. Gay has just released a film 20 years in the making, “Dying to Know”, a documentary about the relationship between two of the most influential people in the history of modern psychedelics, Timothy Leary and Richard Alpert (or Ram Dass). The film brings us to face with the taboo of death and how the psychedelic experience can help our society come to terms with mortality. Here, Gay discusses the making of the film, along with her own encounters with death and tragedy, and how psychedelics could begin to change the way we view mortality.

Episode 6: Mike Margolies

We speak to Mike Margolies from Psymposia, an events group and digital magazine focused on psychedelics and drug policy reform. Mike talks about how Psymposia organises a platform for people to talk about their psychedelic experiences, and issues within the psychedelic community. We discuss the privilege still inherent in psychedelic culture when it comes to drug use and criminalisation, and what we can do to become a more diverse community.

Episode 7: Jonathan Thompson

Jonathan Thompson of Psychedelic Parenting talks to us about his views on community, honesty, religion and spirituality, and how the psychedelic experience can contribute to raising a loving family. He’s been called a Pothead Parent… but Jonathan tells us that there’s much more to his philosophy than recreational drugs.

Episode 8: Ayelet Waldman

Our guest is Ayelet Waldman: author and legal expert who recently published “A Really Good Day”, an account of her experience with microdosing. In her book she reports that a month of LSD microdoses improved her life in many ways, and she argues for the decriminalisation of drugs and for the therapeutic potential of psychedelics. We talk to her about her experiences and the future of drug policy around the world.

Episode 9: Dr Henry Fisher

Our guest is Dr Henry Fisher, policy director at the UK-based drug policy think tank, VolteFace. Henry and the team at VolteFace are hoping to make positive changes to current UK drug policy by getting people outside the drug reform community involved in the debate. Politicians are much more likely to listen to patient groups, economic think tanks or doctors than people in the drug reform community: and this is how VolteFace hope to change the face of drug policy in the UK.

Episode 10: Dr Neal Goldsmith

Our guest is Dr Neal Goldsmith, psychotherapist and author of “Psychedelic Healing: The Promise of Entheogens for Psychotherapy and Spiritual Development”. We talk about how psychedelics can be used to break open the outer shell of our acquired personalities, and reveal the primal self inside.

Episode 11: Ismail Ali

Our guest is Ismail Ali, Policy Fellow at MAPS. Ismail helps develop sensible drug policy that will create alternatives to the failed war on drugs. He talks to us about his experiences with psychedelics, including an ayahuasca experience with his family for the purpose of coping with personal tragedy. We talk about psychedelics, family and drug policy in the US.

Episode 12: Rev Danny Nemu

Our guest is Reverend Danny Nemu, historian and author. He talks to us about drugs in the bible – and how priests used them to induce divine visions. It’s surprising how many natural substances mentioned in the bible are psychoactive, and were almost certainly used for their mind-altering properties. We also discuss how drug stigma has changed since biblical times, and what it means for the future of psychedelics.

Episode 13: Mike ‘Zappy’ Zapolin

We speak to Mike ‘Zappy’ Zapolin, entrepreneur and psychedelic advocate. Zappy is the director of the award-winning documentary “The Reality of Truth,” an exploration of the mystical and spiritual insights that the psychedelic experience can offer. Here we talk to Zappy about his advocacy, the future of psychedelics in the modern world, and how we need to reach a ‘critical mass’ of spiritual evolution.

Episode 14: Psychedelics Today

This week we talk to Joe and Kyle from Psychedelics Today, a regular podcast that explores important events in the field of psychedelics. We hear about how Joe and Kyle met, and about their unique personal experiences with psychedelics. We end up pretty much covering it all – life, death, rebirth and (of course), holotropic breathwork.

Episode 15: Lex Pelger

We welcome Lex Pelger, host of Psymposia, a platform for psychedelic discussion. Lex talks to us about his new book, which explores the medical potential of cannabinoids through a creatively illustrated Moby Dick metaphor. We talk about the importance of sharing our own personal psychedelic stories in turning the tide for the psychedelic revolution, and consider what a psychedelic future might look like.

Episode 15.5: Paul Austin

Our founder, Paul Austin, shares some of his thoughts on psychedelics, and the future direction of the psychedelic community. We also hear about current and future projects at The Third Wave that could have a big impact in the psychedelic space.

Episode 16: Daniel Pinchbeck

Daniel Pinchbeck joins us this week, for a discussion on psychedelics and the current global crisis. “How Soon is Now?” is Daniel’s latest book, which lays out the failings of our modern culture and examines how indigenous traditions could help put things back on track. Daniel tells us a little about his own psychedelic past, and gives us some practical advice on changing things for the better.

Episode 17: Ashley Booth

We’re joined by Ashley Booth of the Aware Project, a psychedelic community based in Southern California. Ashley tells us about a transformative experience with 5-MeO-DMT that changed her from an agnostic to a believer, and prompted her to quit her job as a scientist and pursue a career in psychedelic therapy. We talk about the difficulties in setting up a psychedelic community, and what we can do to “Find the Others.”

Episode 18: Idahosa Ness

Idahosa Ness runs “The Mimic Method,” a website that promises to help you learn foreign languages quickly by immersing you in their sounds and pronunciations. We talk to Idahosa about his experiences with cannabis and other psychedelics, and how they have improved his freestyle rapping, increased his motivation to learn new languages, and helped the growth of his business.

Episode 19: Vincent Horn

Vincent Horn is a meditation and awareness expert, and created the popular Buddhist Geeks podcast. He talks to us about his new teaching platform (meditate.io), and explains how meditation can help us reach balance in our lives. We hear about Vince’s psychedelic experiences, and the parallels he sees between meditation and psychedelics.

Episode 20: Peter Sjöstedt-H

This week we delve into philosophy and neo-nihilsim, as we’re joined by Peter Sjöstedt-H. We discuss how the psychedelic experience fits into his philosophical models, and how microdosing could contribute to modern transhumanism. We also learn about a Marvel character that is getting a new movie and TV franchise, and how Peter was involved!

Episode 21: Michael Costuros

Michael Costuros, founder of Entrepreneurs Awakening, talks about why the ayahuasca ceremony is an integral part of his high-end business coaching. We hear about Michael’s extensive experience with plant medicines, and why he decided to combine the lessons of ayahuasca with his entrepreneurial flair to produce a groundbreaking business model.

Episode 22: Dr Zach Mainen

We’re joined by Zach Mainen, neuroscientist at the Champalimaud Centre for the Unknown in Lisbon, Portugal. Zach studies the role of serotonin in behavior and learning; he explains what his results could tell us about the way psychedelics work in the brain. We also discuss future research into microdosing that could help us understand its true potential.

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