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Reframing Psychedelics

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Our podcast takes a fresh look at the world of psychedelics, listening to the stories of people both in the psychedelic fringe and in mainstream society. We want to share how psychedelics are impacting the lives of people from all walks of life.

By revealing and unraveling the vast range of psychedelic experiences, we plan to explore various aspects of psychedelia.

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Episode 42: Richard Louis Miller

Richard Louis Miller joins us for a discussion on how psychedelics can influence healing. We discuss Richard’s own history with psychedelic substances, and the ways in which he believes psychedelics can help focus our attention and take responsibility for our own wellbeing. Richard shares with us his hopes for the future of the psychedelic movement.

Episode 41: Erika Dyck

In this episode we sit down with Erika Dyck, a psychedelic researcher at the University of Saskatchewan. We delve into the history of LSD research in Canada, and how the psychedelic counter-culture movement threatened its potential. Erika shares her opinion on the future of The Third Wave of psychedelics, and how a balanced dialogue is needed to avoid another backlash.

Episode 40: Bernardo Kastrup

Philosopher Bernardo Kastrup joins us this week, to discuss the concepts of idealism and panpsychism, and how they relate to the psychedelic experience. Kastrup explains that a conceptual understanding of idealism is not enough to fully grasp its truth – and that people must experience a non-dual state first-hand to truly comprehend its meaning.

Episode 39: Ryan LeCompte

This week we’re joined by Ryan LeCompte, founder of VET, a non-profit organization that facilitates entheogenic healing for veterans suffering from PTSD. Ryan explains why entheogenic therapy may be especially useful for combat veterans, and also gives us some insight into his own personal beliefs about the direction of the psychedelic movement.

Episode 38: Caitlin Thompson

This week we’re joined by Caitlin Thompson, psychedelic activist and founder of the holistic health company EntheoZen. Caitlin describes how her experiences with psychedelics have inspired her holistic view of health, and have helped her improve her personal wellbeing. She tells us how science and spiritual practices can go hand in hand, especially when it comes to healthy living.

Episode 37: Charles Eisenstein

Charles Eisenstein, author and thinker, sits down with The Third Wave to talk about how a new story of ‘interbeing’ could help us break free from our destructive modern systems. We hear about the influence that psychedelics have had on Charles’ life, and the reasons why Charles remains optimistic about the direction of human society.

Episode 36: Beatriz Labate, PhD

Beatriz Labate, PhD, joins us for a discussion on ayahuasca, shamanism and cultural evolution. Her expertise in anthropology gives her a unique perspective on what the commercialization of ayahuasca means for the future of psychedelics, and how psychedelic traditions and cultures will be affected by the growing mainstream popularity of plant medicines.

Episode 35: Natalie Ginsberg

This week we talk psychedelics and drug policy with Natalie Ginsberg, Policy and Advocacy Director for MAPS. Natalie discusses how MAPS is using medical research to lay the groundwork for the decriminalization of all drug use. Could microdosing be a factor in destigmatizing drug use in mainstream society?

Episode 34: Steven Kotler

Steven Kotler, expert on flow states and Director of Research for the Flow Genome Project, talks to us about his first experiences of flow, and how psychedelics have played a part in his career. We discuss the problems facing our society, and how a scientific understanding of flow states could help us change the way we approach vital cultural issues.

Episode 33: Rachael Madori

Rachael Madori, social activist, entrepreneur and former adult film star, shares her experiences with psychedelics, and how they’ve helped her cope with substance misuse, bipolar disorder and borderline personality disorder. Rachael says that without psychedelics, she wouldn’t be here today – a message that she strongly believes in sharing.

Episode 32: Don Lattin

Author Don Lattin joins us to discuss the direction of the psychedelic movement, and how we can avoid repeating the mistakes of the past. We hear about the psychedelic experiences that shaped Don’s interest in the spiritual, and how plant medicines have changed his life for the better.

Episode 31: Kenneth Tupper, PhD

Kenneth Tupper, drug education expert and co-director of the BC Centre on Substance Use, talks to us about his interest in ayahuasca and the potential of psychedelics to expand our cognitive capabilities. Kenneth discusses society’s resistance to psychedelic knowledge, and what we can do to revolutionize concepts of evidence-based medicine and objectivity.

Episode 30: Janet Chang

Janet Chang, digital marketer and entrepreneur, talks to us about her experiences with microdosing. With a background in professional sports and personal development, Janet has applied her own style of testing and tracking to her microdosing experiment. We hear about the benefits and pitfalls she discovered after microdosing psilocybin mushrooms at work for a year.

Episode 29: Shane Mauss

Shane Mauss, psychedelic comedian, explains his transition into the world of mind-opening substances, and how they influenced his career in stand-up. Shane describes how his experiences with DMT and psilocybin mushrooms have shaped his view of the mind and the world, and what psychedelics can do for people who have developed unhealthy modern habits.

Episode 28: Mark Manson

Mark Manson, author of “The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck: A Counterintuitive Approach to Living the Good Life” joins us for a conversation on psychedelics and personal growth. We discuss how psychedelics can be used for maximum benefit, and how Eastern philosophies have influenced Mark’s unique style of personal development.

Episode 27: Raz Degan

The Last Shaman,” executive produced by Leonardo DiCaprio, tells the story of a man searching for a solution to his mental health problems through the use of ayahuasca. Raz Degan, its director, talks to us about his experiences with ayahuasca, and the balance between its potential healing effects, and the dangers to the individual, our culture and the environment.

Episode 26: Jesse Lawler

Jesse Lawler, host of the Smart Drug Smarts podcast, joins us this week for a discussion on nootropics, transhumanism and the psychedelic experience. Jesse shares his opinions on using psychedelics for self-improvement, and where he sees the future of psychedelics in mainstream society.

Episode 25: Julian Vayne

This week we’re joined by expert occultist Julian Vayne, author of the psychedelic manual Getting Higher. Julian shares with us his psychedelic experience, and how he thinks traditional rituals have influenced the modern psychedelic ceremony. We discuss the most important factors in setting up a ceremony to produce the most positive results.

Episode 24: Jerry Brown, PhD

Jerry Brown, PhD, author of Psychedelic Gospels, joins us to talk about psychedelic mushrooms in early Christian society. We hear about the evidence for psychedelic use that exists in Christian art, and how the Inquisition could have resulted in the destruction of these psychedelic traditions. Jerry also shares his vision of a future with freedom to practice psychedelic use as part of our basic religious rights.

Episode 23: Rachel Harris, PhD

Psychologist Rachel Harris, PhD, author of Listening to Ayahuasca, talks to us about the psychotherapeutic benefits of the ayahuasca ceremony. We hear about her transformative experiences with the ayahuasca spirit, and discuss how the psychedelic experience can help heal our psychological issues, with the right setting and guidance.

Episode 22: Dr Zach Mainen

We’re joined by Zach Mainen, neuroscientist at the Champalimaud Centre for the Unknown in Lisbon, Portugal. Zach studies the role of serotonin in behavior and learning; he explains what his results could tell us about the way psychedelics work in the brain. We also discuss future research into microdosing that could help us understand its true potential.

Episode 21: Michael Costuros

Michael Costuros, founder of Entrepreneurs Awakening, talks about why the ayahuasca ceremony is an integral part of his high-end business coaching. We hear about Michael’s extensive experience with plant medicines, and why he decided to combine the lessons of ayahuasca with his entrepreneurial flair to produce a groundbreaking business model.

Episode 20: Peter Sjöstedt-H

This week we delve into philosophy and neo-nihilsim, as we’re joined by Peter Sjöstedt-H. We discuss how the psychedelic experience fits into his philosophical models, and how microdosing could contribute to modern transhumanism. We also learn about a Marvel character that is getting a new movie and TV franchise, and how Peter was involved!

Episode 19: Vincent Horn

Vincent Horn is a meditation and awareness expert, and created the popular Buddhist Geeks podcast. He talks to us about his new teaching platform (, and explains how meditation can help us reach balance in our lives. We hear about Vince’s psychedelic experiences, and the parallels he sees between meditation and psychedelics.

Episode 18: Idahosa Ness

Idahosa Ness runs “The Mimic Method,” a website that promises to help you learn foreign languages quickly by immersing you in their sounds and pronunciations. We talk to Idahosa about his experiences with cannabis and other psychedelics, and how they have improved his freestyle rapping, increased his motivation to learn new languages, and helped the growth of his business.

Episode 17: Ashley Booth

We’re joined by Ashley Booth of the Aware Project, a psychedelic community based in Southern California. Ashley tells us about a transformative experience with 5-MeO-DMT that changed her from an agnostic to a believer, and prompted her to quit her job as a scientist and pursue a career in psychedelic therapy. We talk about the difficulties in setting up a psychedelic community, and what we can do to “Find the Others.”

Episode 16: Daniel Pinchbeck

Daniel Pinchbeck joins us this week, for a discussion on psychedelics and the current global crisis. “How Soon is Now?” is Daniel’s latest book, which lays out the failings of our modern culture and examines how indigenous traditions could help put things back on track. Daniel tells us a little about his own psychedelic past, and gives us some practical advice on changing things for the better.

Episode 15.5: Paul Austin

Our founder, Paul Austin, shares some of his thoughts on psychedelics, and the future direction of the psychedelic community. We also hear about current and future projects at The Third Wave that could have a big impact in the psychedelic space.

Episode 15: Lex Pelger

We welcome Lex Pelger, host of Psymposia, a platform for psychedelic discussion. Lex talks to us about his new book, which explores the medical potential of cannabinoids through a creatively illustrated Moby Dick metaphor. We talk about the importance of sharing our own personal psychedelic stories in turning the tide for the psychedelic revolution, and consider what a psychedelic future might look like.

Episode 14: Psychedelics Today

This week we talk to Joe and Kyle from Psychedelics Today, a regular podcast that explores important events in the field of psychedelics. We hear about how Joe and Kyle met, and about their unique personal experiences with psychedelics. We end up pretty much covering it all – life, death, rebirth and (of course), holotropic breathwork.

Episode 13: Mike ‘Zappy’ Zapolin

We speak to Mike ‘Zappy’ Zapolin, entrepreneur and psychedelic advocate. Zappy is the director of the award-winning documentary “The Reality of Truth,” an exploration of the mystical and spiritual insights that the psychedelic experience can offer. Here we talk to Zappy about his advocacy, the future of psychedelics in the modern world, and how we need to reach a ‘critical mass’ of spiritual evolution.

Episode 12: Rev Danny Nemu

Our guest is Reverend Danny Nemu, historian and author. He talks to us about drugs in the bible – and how priests used them to induce divine visions. It’s surprising how many natural substances mentioned in the bible are psychoactive, and were almost certainly used for their mind-altering properties. We also discuss how drug stigma has changed since biblical times, and what it means for the future of psychedelics.

Episode 11: Ismail Ali

Our guest is Ismail Ali, Policy Fellow at MAPS. Ismail helps develop sensible drug policy that will create alternatives to the failed war on drugs. He talks to us about his experiences with psychedelics, including an ayahuasca experience with his family for the purpose of coping with personal tragedy. We talk about psychedelics, family and drug policy in the US.

Episode 10: Dr Neal Goldsmith

Our guest is Dr Neal Goldsmith, psychotherapist and author of “Psychedelic Healing: The Promise of Entheogens for Psychotherapy and Spiritual Development”. We talk about how psychedelics can be used to break open the outer shell of our acquired personalities, and reveal the primal self inside.

Episode 9: Henry Fisher, PhD

Our guest is Henry Fisher, policy director at the UK-based drug policy think tank, VolteFace. Henry and the team at VolteFace are hoping to make positive changes to current UK drug policy by getting people outside the drug reform community involved in the debate. Politicians are much more likely to listen to patient groups, economic think tanks or doctors than people in the drug reform community: and this is how VolteFace hope to change the face of drug policy in the UK.

Episode 8: Ayelet Waldman

Our guest is Ayelet Waldman: author and legal expert who recently published “A Really Good Day”, an account of her experience with microdosing. In her book she reports that a month of LSD microdoses improved her life in many ways, and she argues for the decriminalisation of drugs and for the therapeutic potential of psychedelics. We talk to her about her experiences and the future of drug policy around the world.

Episode 7: Jonathan Thompson

Jonathan Thompson of Psychedelic Parenting talks to us about his views on community, honesty, religion and spirituality, and how the psychedelic experience can contribute to raising a loving family. He’s been called a Pothead Parent… but Jonathan tells us that there’s much more to his philosophy than recreational drugs.

Episode 6: Mike Margolies

We speak to Mike Margolies from Psymposia, an events group and digital magazine focused on psychedelics and drug policy reform. Mike talks about how Psymposia organises a platform for people to talk about their psychedelic experiences, and issues within the psychedelic community. We discuss the privilege still inherent in psychedelic culture when it comes to drug use and criminalisation, and what we can do to become a more diverse community.

Episode 5: Gay Dillingham

Our guest is Gay Dillingham: filmmaker, environmentalist and producer. Gay has just released a film 20 years in the making, “Dying to Know”, a documentary about the relationship between two of the most influential people in the history of modern psychedelics, Timothy Leary and Richard Alpert (or Ram Dass). The film brings us to face with the taboo of death and how the psychedelic experience can help our society come to terms with mortality. Here, Gay discusses the making of the film, along with her own encounters with death and tragedy, and how psychedelics could begin to change the way we view mortality.

Episode 4: Dr Stephen Bright

Our guest is Dr Stephen Bright, co-founder of PRISM and a leading psychedelic researcher in Australia. Stephen talks to us about the problems facing the psychedelic movement in Australia, where a conservative government perpetuates a ‘Pathological Paradigm’ that rewards negative views on drugs. Stephen tells us how the future of drug policy in Australia depends on research, the media, and a shift in popular opinion.

Episode 3: Jag Davies

We talk to Jag Davies from the Drug Policy Alliance, and learn about why the legalisation of psychedelics requires an open dialogue around the harms of criminalisation. Jag tells us that if we rely on the approval of psychedelic therapy, psychedelics may only become available for a privileged few, continuing the marginalisation of those who have been left behind by decades of prohibition.

Episode 2: Brad Burge

Our guest is Brad Burge; Director of Communication and Marketing at MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. Brad talks to us about his own experiences with psychedelics and how they helped him overcome bipolar disorder. Brad explains MAPS’ current work to get psychedelics approved by the FDA for various therapies, especially MDMA for the treatment of PTSD. Brad tells us what this means for the future of ‘Big Pharma’, the psychedelic movement, and our approach towards mental health.

Episode 1: Jesse Jarnow

We speak to Jesse Jarnow, author of Heads: A Biography of Psychedelic America. Jesse talks about his experiences growing up with drug prohibition, psychedelic literature and the Grateful Dead. We hear about Jesse’s favourite moments in the psychedelic history of America, and we find out how musicians, artists and chemists contributed to the psychedelic culture of the 1960s and 70s. Jesse gives us his opinion on the prospects of the growing psychedelic movement in America.


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