From Gut Health to Biofeedback: Exploring the Psychedelic Connection


Episode 221

JoQueta Handy, Ph.D.

In this Psychedelic Podcast episode, Co-host Joseph Anew and Integrative Health Practitioner JoQueta Handy, Ph.D. explore the intersection of autism, gut health, and quantum healing.

Dr. Handy and Joseph examine questions like, How does gut health impact people with autism and the greater population? Why is the microbiome so vital–not only to optimal wellness but to microdosing success? What is digital psychedelic dosing, and how can it bypass gut challenges? What are quantum connections, and how can they transform healing?

Find out what autism can teach the world about health, connection, and self-discovery.

JoQueta Handy, PhD, IMD:

Dr. JoQueta Handy, PhD, IMD is an internationally-recognized speaker, author, educator, and Natural Integrative Health Practitioner. She is a coach certified by The Psychedelic Coaching Institute, holds a certified competence in clinical speech-language pathology, and is a certified quantum biofeedback practitioner.

JoQueta is also the CEO and Chief Visionary of Brilliant Learning, Handy Wellness Center, and Brilliant Blends. She has spent the last 30 years working with special needs children and their families using a holistic philosophy rooted in nutritional protocols and extending to specialized learning strategies. JoQueta has applied her life and career experiences to take her practice to the next level by founding Brilliant Blends and formulating its supplements.

A mom of five grown children and a grandmother, she works with her husband, James Handy, DC in their wellness practice in Newport Beach, CA.

Podcast Highlights

  • Examining the connection between autism and gut health.
  • Exploring the healing power of quantum biofeedback, shared energy, and digital psychedelic dosing.
  • Why Dr. Handy sees people with Autism as powerful teachers.
  • How Dr. Handy uses frequencies to address patient imbalances and promote healing.
  • Dr. Handy’s psychedelic initiation and the lessons from each medicine.
  • Harnessing psychedelics to break free of generational patterns.
  • Brilliant Blends, Dr. Handy’s adaptogenic mushroom line.
  • Understanding the gut health, serotonin levels, and the psychedelic response.
  • Glyophosate’s global impact on human and planetary health.

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Podcast Transcript

0:00:00.2 Joseph Anew: Welcome back to The Psychedelic Podcast by Third Wave, where we explore how the safe and responsible use of psychedelic medicines can catalyze transformation. This is Joseph Anew, and today I am speaking with Dr. JoQueta Handy an internationally recognized speaker, author, educator and natural integrative health practitioner.

0:00:22.6 Dr. JoQueta Handy: I began to just blog in newsletters, this is what I experienced with MDMA, and this is what I experienced with Psilocybin and this is what I experienced in Costa Rica with Third Wave. That in itself was very healing, and it was wonderful then to see the response of, I have that issue, I've suffered with that, and it didn't mean that everybody went and had a psychedelic experience, but it opened up conversation, even conversation within my own family where I never thought that that would be okay to talk about. So healing, healing, healing on so, so many levels.


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0:05:11.9 Joseph Anew: Hey listeners, this is Joseph Anew, director at Third Wave psychedelic Coaching Institute. Welcome back to The Psychedelic podcast. In this episode, Dr. JoQueta and I explore alternative healing and learning modalities that serve the Autism population as well as humanity at large. Dr. JoQueta Handy is an internationally recognized speaker, author, educator and natural integrative health practitioner. She is also certified by the Psychedelic Coaching Institute, which is how our paths crossed. She also holds a certified competence in clinical speech language pathology, and is a certified Quantum Biofeedback practitioner. JoQueta is also the CEO and Chief Visionary of Brilliant Learning Handy Wellness Center and Brilliant Blends. She has spent the last 30 years working with special needs children and their families using a holistic philosophy rooted in nutritional protocols and extending from there to specialized Learning Strategies for the individual.

0:06:16.4 Joseph Anew: JoQueta has applied her life and career experiences to take her practice to the next level by founding brilliant blends and formulating her own line of dietary supplements. In this episode, Dr. JoQueta and I go deep into expansive topics, like the connection between autism, gut health and serotonin, the healing power of Quantum Biofeedback shared energies and digital psychedelic dosing, how Dr. Handy uses frequency to address patient imbalances and why Dr. JoQueta sees the Autism population as humanity's greatest teachers. Dr. Handy's insights on everything from Biofeedback technology to the gut microbiome and generational patterns are so invaluable, this is a must listen for anybody who seeks alternative routes to growth and better wellness, just a quick note that the conversation kicked off before we hit record, I had to scramble to hit record because the conversation was getting so great, so you'll be diving in right when Dr. JoQueta begins to speak about autism from her decades of professional experience, and before we dive in, just a reminder to follow the Psychedelic Podcast on your favorite podcast app, and while you're at it, please leave us a review there as well. And if you already have, thank you so much for helping us share trusted research-based information on psychedelics to benefit our communities, culture and the world.

0:07:48.9 Joseph Anew: Remember to follow the link in the show notes to find the full transcript and any links that we mention in this conversation. Alright, that's it for now. I hope you enjoy my conversation today with Dr. JoQueta Handy. So that's interesting, JoQueta, when you were working in autism, gluten was one of the first things you kind of came across as being a possible contributor, is that right?

0:08:15.1 Dr. JoQueta Handy: It was probably in... Right after I moved from New York to California, It was probably around between '96, '94, '96 in that area, and there's actually a neurologist here in Orange County that contacted me and told me that if I continued to list gluten as a problem or, and that was when gluten-free casein-free diets were just starting to come out and there had just been some studies done on the gut, and so she reached out to me and said that if I continued to promote this with parents, that she would not only have my license pulled, but that she would make sure that the parents were investigated by Child Protective Services, so I'm like, well, lady I hope that you're still alive today [laughter] and seeing how very wrong you were. Of course, I didn't listen to her. I'm like, oh, okay, whatever. So yeah, so that was kind of my first introduction and push back around gluten-free, but I mean, today we know how important that is, so again, they are just here to be our teachers.

0:09:37.5 Joseph Anew: And it's a great... We're never sure. We're never done. It's been look at just not only gluten and carbohydrate, but fat when I was a kid or when I was younger, when I was in a personal training setting, I remember... So I had a couple of concussions as a kid, really one really serious head injury, and I was put on a, what would today be called the Ketogenic diet in the early 2000s, and I was a personal trainer, my undergrad's in exercise physiology. I'm very well aware of the food pyramid and everything it has to say, but I started to go on this diet that was prescribed to me from a brain doc, and my coaching clients, I think I lost a few of them because they just they were so afraid of fat and they would see their trainer having coconut oil or any of these demonized foods and moving away from carbohydrate and gluten at the same time, and it was in four weeks, my health completely transformed on that diet, but it was this kind of paradoxical scenario where wait a minute, the diet that is creating the most health inside of my mind and body is also the diet that's gonna give me a heart disease and kill me, [laughter] that doesn't sound like a fair game.

0:11:05.1 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Right, right. Yes, so many times we're just close-minded and we're close-hurting. Yeah, I think especially with autism again, they do great on a ketogenic diet, they're here to be our teachers, and I say all the time what works for autistic children works for all of us.

0:11:31.4 Joseph Anew: Yeah, that's really interesting. It's an extreme. So are you saying you can kind of when something works in that capacity at that end of the spectrum, if you are closer to this side and you're not having quite as positive response or negative response, it's still an indicator that... Well, if that's what it causes at that end, then you can be... You can sort of rest assured and maybe have some confidence that it's doing the same to you, is that kind of right?

0:11:58.7 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Absolutely, absolutely yes.

0:12:00.9 Joseph Anew: Pretty cool.

0:12:02.0 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Because autism is a 100%, gut, that's where it starts. And then it shows us this strength, the complexity of the gut-brain connection, so then that's where the behaviors come from and the sensory system, the anomalies of the sensory system and the reaction of the sensory system, but yes, in looking at what doesn't work for them, from a gut reaction is true for all of us.

0:12:33.7 Joseph Anew: Yeah, that's really interesting. So autism, you believe is 100% a gut issue.

0:12:43.0 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Yes. It's the microbiome. So we learn that in the early 2000s when we learned about the genome and learned that the third layer of the small intestine, the microbiome is our immune system, and it is our second brain. In working supporting in that area. We really see a change in our overall health and mental state.

0:13:13.0 Joseph Anew: And so when we look at autistic kids, and this will maybe be a segue into some of your other work in psychedelics, what promise or hope do you have for the future as it relates to any applications of psychedelic medicines for autism? Do you think there's any hope for the future there?

0:13:35.9 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Yeah, that's a really good question. I have a couple of answers for that, one of the things that we see specifically in working with Psilocybin, and I think this is an area that should be more researched, but because of the damage to the microbiome, autism can't be cured. By the time it's diagnosed, so much damage is done to that microbiome, it cannot be cured. Now, that's not to say that we can't see improvement, the body is plastic, the brain is plastic, so we can make significant changes, and I've had the wonderful blessing of watching that and being a part of it, but we can't cure it. So people who are out there saying they are curing autism, that's not the truth. But because of that, 95% of serotonin is made in the gut, only 5% is made in the brain, and so when we're working with psychedelics and the AC2 receptor that serotonin link we have to be very, very careful, especially in working with the severe population.

0:14:51.8 Dr. JoQueta Handy: I personally have not seen it as a benefit in my population in my specific case load, and again, that may be because my passion and I'm just drawn and attracted to the more severe end, I've read research and I've heard some good results with, especially adults, autistic adults on the mild end of the spectrum using psilocybin microdosing and it being very, very successful, but that's not to say, maybe looking at LSD might be more beneficial for them than micro-dosing. One of the things that I've done and this may sound a little strange, in working with Biofeedback in Quantum biofeedback, the system is just made up of frequencies, so basically what it allows us to do when we run in Quantum Biofeedback test is we're able to identify and map our way to solutions, because it's identifying where the greatest stress is in the body, so for instance if you said, I have chronic stomach pains, okay, well, there's a lot of different reasons why you might be having stomach pains, and so we're able to see where is...

0:16:22.6 Dr. JoQueta Handy: There's stress in the stomach, but where is that stress coming from, is it coming from an overgrowth of bacteria, is it coming from a stress response like Cortisol, and on and on and on on things that we can look at. So again, when we can identify that foundational area, then we can have a much more accurate way of working on a solution. And so one of the frequencies, there are plant medicine frequencies within Quantum Biofeedback. And so you can do something called Digital dosing, and this was first proven... The first time I know that it was written about, talked about was in the 2008 Beijing Olympics. And if you Google hormone streaming Beijing Olympics, there's quite a bit of a write-up on it. But basically what they proved is that digital dosing can be done, so it's a 100% legal, so when they tested the Chinese athletes, the men's testosterone was a thousand times higher than normal, and the women's was 300 times. Not that that's healthy in any way, but what happened that year in the Olympics is the Chinese athletes, were not supposed to show up at all, and they medalled across the board. And so again, it proved how this machine can be used.

0:17:56.8 Dr. JoQueta Handy: So one of the things that you can do is any frequency, you can do digital dosing, and that's one of the things that I have been experimenting with with my adult autistic population, and that one seems, the psychedelic that seems to work the best is ketamine, and I've actually had some parents say, of all the treatments I've tried, again and this is with 21, 22-year-old autistic patients, and so they've tried a lot of things over the years, and they're saying this is one of the greatest changes that I've seen. Most consistent change that I've seen around behavior and around regulation of the nervous system.

0:18:53.0 Joseph Anew: So Doc, I have to ask more about this Quantum Biofeedback and I'm curious, so the technology you use is guiding you and providing answers as to what is happening in the gut to kind of take two steps back. You're saying if it's this particular gut issue or that particular gut issue, the feedback is somehow navigating you around that. And then I also wanna tack on, so the ketamine dosing is digital, it's a ketamine frequency, and it's not actually ketamine being injected. Okay. So we have to dive into this. This sounds mind blowing.


0:19:33.1 Dr. JoQueta Handy: That's okay.

0:19:36.1 Joseph Anew: So wherever you want to take it from there. But I'm curious, yeah, what is this technology, this Quantum Biofeedback technology?

0:19:45.1 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Sure. So just to back up a little bit, to answer your first question, so the frequencies are not just around the gut. It's looking at the whole body. So mind, body, spirit, is all the different frequencies within the system, and there's about 17,000 different frequencies. So even if you're looking at a supplement, like there are supplements loaded into the system even by brand. There are medications, there are psychedelics. And so what we're doing is, again, assessing, it is not a diagnosis. I'm not diagnosing patients in any way. Not treating patients. We are assessing where the body is showing stress. So we know that years before you ever develop a disease state, like let's say cancer, the body gives you warning signs. We just don't listen to those warning signs most of the time. Oh, it'll go away.

0:21:00.2 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Or maybe we're, a lot of people are just so out of touch with their body and the feedback that their body is giving that they're not even aware. You know, I'll have patients come in and I'll say, wow, are you under a lot of stress? No, I'm not stressed. I'm like, okay, tell me a little bit about what's going on. And I would consider it very stressful in what they describe. So the system is just identifying where our body is giving us warning signs, and it allows us, and it does that by showing areas of reactivity, what are reactive areas in the body? And when we can see those reactive areas that forms patterns. So is there a pattern of a digestive issue? Is there a pattern of a hormone issue? And then once we can see, and lots of other patterns, but once we can see that pattern, then that's where we can back into the solution. Is the solution that you need to change jobs?

0:22:11.0 Dr. JoQueta Handy: This job is just way too stressful and you're not gonna live very long if this continues. Or is it that your diet of processed foods is just wreaking havoc on the body? And so all the time, I have people say, how do you know that? You know, yes, that, even if they don't tell me that I'm having chronic headaches every day. I wake up with a headache every day, the system will many times show that area of stress. Are you waking up with headaches? Yes. Are you having difficulty sleeping even by certain hormone patterns? Especially in women, are you waking up between 3:00 and 3:30 in the morning? That usually has to do with a progesterone testosterone deficiency.

0:23:09.6 Dr. JoQueta Handy: So we're able to identify those areas of stress. At the same time when we can identify frequencies that are distressed or out of alignment, we can also use the frequencies within the system and send that into the body. So it's, and somebody says, well, how does that work? Well, we do that every day. If you are in a perfectly great mood and all of a sudden you walk into a room with a person or people who are not in a great mood, you immediately feel that, or at least you should immediately feel that, and you're just kinda like, whoa, you know what just happened here? Okay, we're energetic beings. So we're chemical electrical beings, and we are constantly interchanging, whether it's with nature, whether it's with other human beings. One of the greatest, I think, lessons that I had around that energy that we feel, and that's what I love about plant medicine, that just kind of the tribe, the people that run in this circle are very attuned to energy and especially creating a container, that shared energy within plant medicine.

0:24:36.2 Dr. JoQueta Handy: My husband and I were traveling in Italy several years ago, and we were on a, coming from a cruise ship on a tour bus to Rome, and the person who was the tour guide was not a very pleasant person. And I just kind of immediately tuned her out because she was talking about how terrible the day was gonna be in Rome because the priest, the pope was going to be praying over the peasants, and it was just gonna be crowded and just awful. So I just kinda went, I'm not really listening to you. And we get, the bus parks, we step off the bus and start walking down the street, and all of a sudden, like I just have all of these chill bumps. I call them angel bumps, like all over my arms.

0:25:33.6 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And I reached out to my husband, I'm like, where are we? And he was like, we're in Rome. And I'm like, I know, but like, where are we? And he was like, we're walking toward Vatican Square. And I'm like, okay. And we keep walking a couple of more blocks and it gets so intense. And I'm like, what's going on? And he was like, were you not listening? I'm like, Nope, I wasn't. He was like, it's a day of prayer. And the Pope is praying over 3000 people in Vatican Square. And about that time, we turn where we're at the edge of Vatican Square, and it was like electricity ran through my body and my whole body just lighted up. And I'm like, I don't know what this is, but I'm staying right here. Like, this is the most incredible thing. And what was it? Well it was shared intention. Shared intention of 3000 people. And that's the same healing power that we have in that collective. And so that's just like an example of when I say Quantum Biofeedback, we're working with frequency, shared frequency. That's one way to look at it, or at least it makes a lot of sense to look at it that way to me.

0:26:56.1 Joseph Anew: Wow. I mean, that is a beautiful story. It's just so amazing. And I, your sensitivity as you said, there's this day and age, people are a little disconnected. And you know, we might eat... My wife says like, if you can eat like McDonald's or something and it doesn't affect you, that's when you need to be concerned. [laughter]

0:27:20.8 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Right? Yes. I agree with her.

0:27:23.3 Joseph Anew: Like, if you eat it, you know... And so there's this like desensitization to good frequency, bad frequency, unhealthy food or healthy supplements. When did you identify this sensitivity? Because the average person on that bus that you got off probably wasn't feeling it, despite, I know it exists. I know the power of 3000 people praying with the Pope. But are there any other, when did you start to identify that maybe you have a greater sensitivity to the energetics and the quantum than maybe the average person? Because it sounds like maybe there's a history there.

0:28:03.3 Dr. JoQueta Handy: [laughter] You're really diving into my skeletons. [laughter] Great question. So in working with autism, again, they've been my greatest teachers, and this always makes me emotional. There was one autistic young man. Now he's 29, his name is Weston. And he was the one that really opened up my mind, my heart in this area. And Weston called it Heart Talk. And Weston was probably one of, at the time, one of the most severe autistic children that I had worked with. He came into my life early in my career in the late '90s and earlier in my career. And he had this enormous head, especially the frontal lobe of his head was extremely large. He wore his clothes backwards. He wouldn't wear any shoes. He had the worst nystagmus that I've ever seen where his eyes just rapidly moved back and forth, and he was completely nonverbal.

0:29:26.5 Dr. JoQueta Handy: I mean, he didn't even shake his head yes or no at that time. He didn't, his sounds were very, for lack of a better word, barbaric sounding, very primitive sounding. And Weston came into my life when he was six years or five years old. And he had been evaluated by a really famous speech language pathologist that I'd actually studied under in grad school. And when I read that she had done the report, I was just like, oh my gosh, like I get to work with one of, somebody that she's evaluated. And so I immediately reached out to her, and her advice was don't take this case. She said, this child should be institutionalized. He's not gonna make any progress. And it's children like this that give therapists a bad name. And fortunately, I did not follow her advice.

0:30:26.6 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And I began working with Weston. He wouldn't even allow me to get close to him. He would sit in one corner and I would sit in the other. And the only way, I said the way that we began to develop a relationship was through tapping, because the only thing I knew to do was I had studied under a therapist at the Boston VA and this theory called tapping, and it was working with veterans who had had severe strokes. And that, I mean, I was clueless on what to do with this child. And this went on for about two years...

0:31:05.0 Joseph Anew: Tapping EFT. The EFT tapping?

0:31:07.7 Dr. JoQueta Handy: A form of that. In the '90s, we didn't even have EFT at that time. It wasn't well known. It was literally just tapping on the floor. You would tap out the rhythm of words. And so this went on for about two years, and I was feeling so guilty that I was just taking the parent's money and not making any progress with this child. And at the same time, I'd been working with a biochemist who was, he was an energy healer. He was an amazing man. And one day, Weston and I both were in his office, and Weston had this behavior where he would take a magazine and he would just rapidly flip through it and then throw it to the side. And sometimes, it was upside down, sometimes it was right side up. And, but he always had a book or a magazine in his hand and this behavior, and of course that was written off as autistic.

0:32:11.5 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And so Dr. Jones and I are both looking at Weston as he's giving us the evil eye in his office and doing this behavior. And Dr. Jones said, wouldn't it be interesting if Weston could read? And I'm like, Weston can't read. He's just gotten thrown out of his second kindergarten for overturning tables and throwing chairs. He can't read. He can't, he doesn't even know the letters of the alphabet. And he was like, okay, but wouldn't it be interesting if he could? And so it was about two weeks later that Weston and I, in our opposite corners in a treatment room, and I was just, I was empty. I had nothing left, and I didn't know what to do. And I heard Dr. Jones's voice, wouldn't it be interesting if Weston could read? And he had just thrown this book at me that he had been looking at, and it was probably written on like a second grade level on Clouds.

0:33:05.0 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And so I picked it up and I read a couple of pages, and I took a piece of paper, and I literally just tore it and wrote a question, and then wrote down two answers. And as close as Weston would let me get to him, which was about an arm's length away, I held the piece of paper up, and he kind of looked at it out of the side of his eye. And then I held up the two answers, and he swiped at the right answer. And so I went back and I repeated the procedure again. And this time Weston pointed at the answer, and I'd never seen him point at anything. And with that, he started, he took the book, and he started shoving it into my stomach and pounding on the floor because I couldn't read the next page fast enough and get the question and answer written down.

0:34:05.2 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And it was right again, and again and again. And I was so taken back because this child shouldn't be able to read under any circumstances, given his eyes, given his... What I thought was his cognitive level. And I'm so embarrassed to say this, but it took me two weeks before I got the courage up to tell his mom that Weston could read. And I saw him three times a week. So I'd seen this child like six times, and the same behavior repeated over and over and over. And when I went to her and told her I think Weston can read, she was this very faith-filled woman. And she said, okay, now what do we do? I'm like, I have no idea. And when I finally, she began homeschooling Weston, and he was able to learn Spanish in two days, and his grandmother was Japanese, and he was able to learn Japanese in two weeks, and his mom just began working with him on every area of academics.

0:35:22.4 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And when we finally convinced the school district to test Weston, he was about nine years old, and he tested out at a 12th grade level. So not only could this child read, he was a genius. And it wasn't long after that, that I began to be able to hear him, and he was able to speak with what he calls heart talk, and just, no words being said but could check it out by asking questions. Did you just say this? Yes. And he showed me, when working with Weston, it not only changed my life, it changed my career in the way that I viewed life, but especially children. We cannot judge the outside. We need to look at the inside, and we need to look at the inside with our heart. And because the saying, love conquers all, it truly does, whether that's academics, whether that's disease states, whether that's just sharing a conversation.

0:36:42.4 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And so Weston has continued to be a huge teacher for many now at the age of 28, 29 years old. And his mom wrote a beautiful book called Waiting for Weston about this story. And she titled that because she was constantly, she said, I was constantly waiting for Weston to be fixed. And she said when you discovered this, I thought, oh, this is it. He's going to be "fixed." And he was already perfect just as he is. And so many times, we're waiting for that woo-hoo, that, when we already have it. And that was again, that it gave me the understanding and the courage to step out and really advocate for children and their learning for those children that don't fit into the box. And just because, do we have to go through the traditional way of learning the alphabet and the sounds that they make in order to read? No, we don't. And the philosophy that Weston taught me is everybody has their talents and their strengths. And when we step back and we acknowledge that, and we work from that place, that's where magic can happen.

0:38:12.8 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And so instead of from an educational standpoint of, you know it has to be done in this way. This checklist, this lesson plan. Let's start with where the talents are, so like, in autism, autistic children are dominant visual learners, which means that they learn best through rhythm, movement and visualization. It's why they can memorize a song quickly or wanna watch a Disney movie over and over and over, because it's all around their strengths. And we can take those three strengths and copy it in any area of curriculum. And just as I said, autistic children are just here to be our teachers, that works for anybody that's struggling academically or just in helping you recognize your learning strengths. I've used this with college students. I've used this with college students who have had an injury, like a head trauma, a stroke, and helping them learn differently around their new strengths. And instead of just saying, oh, I'm not going to be able to do this. No, we just have to do it in a different way.

0:39:36.0 Joseph Anew: I love that, I love that permission, you know? And I think so many people are always seeking permission to learn in an alternative way, or... I suppose psychedelics can both be a scary thing to step into as an alternative means of doing something, but also, it might be the thing that gives you the permission to learn the way that you're supposed to learn as well. You know, it seems like...

0:40:00.5 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Absolutely.

0:40:00.7 Joseph Anew: This sort of knowing thy self, in other words, which is kind of the... What we're all here trying to do, is sort of core to this. And maybe in this particular population that you've had a history of working with, it's like, that group, it's especially important, but it's a permission slip maybe to all of us to really begin to step outside the typical boxes and begin to navigate life and learn things in ways that are aligned with the way that we can receive the information the most efficiently.

0:40:36.8 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Absolutely. I think, again, in what I'm discovering and working with digital dosing, specifically with ketamine, with this population, when I asked why is this helping them so much? And I could tell you story after story of what parents have shared with me and the changes that they saw within about three weeks time. It's really helping them to feel comfortable in their body. And once they feel comfortable in their body, then their talents that I have always said or that I've always advocated for, are just able to shine through. And how is that a teacher for us? Well, again, when we know thyself, as you said, when we come into our true being, we're able to operate and communicate and share and love at such a greater level.

0:41:45.2 Joseph Anew: It sounds a little bit, JoQueta that... It sounds a little bit... The Quantum Biofeedback, it sounds a little bit like a modern singing bowl chakra thing. So if you have an issue in your second chakra, you need this singing bowl. And it seems like maybe kind of like a modern tech version of what maybe people have been doing for a long time. Does that ring true at all?

0:42:16.6 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Absolutely. For sure. Because I think what you're describing is, using frequency as a way of clearing, as a way of balancing. And yes, that's 100% where it's working from.

0:42:34.3 Joseph Anew: I love that. So...

0:42:34.8 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Yeah, it's from the... Go ahead. Sorry.

0:42:37.8 Joseph Anew: Go ahead. No, go ahead.

0:42:39.5 Dr. JoQueta Handy: I was just gonna say, the person who developed it was asked when he was 17 by NASA to come in and help with the rescue of Apollo 17, and he did it. And at that time there were only binary computer codes. And so, he wrote the first ternary computer code, because he said, a spaceship is not a binary object, it's a 3D object. So the binary code wasn't working. And then, he just applied that same code to Quantum Biofeedback. And when it was first introduced, it was just way ahead of its time, like 40 years ago. And now as our technology increases our knowledge of technology, it's much more... It's becoming much more accepted, but yes, you're absolutely right, it's just using frequency as a receiver identification, as well as working with that to improve vibrational flow.

0:43:56.9 Joseph Anew: I love it. And I guess, one more just tactical question, so is it headset you wear, is it a magic wand? Like, how is the frequency... [chuckle] Like, what does a session look like with you?

0:44:11.0 Dr. JoQueta Handy: So, it can be done in two ways, it can be done in person, and when it's in-person, we use electrodes and then that's the biofeedback part. Very much like an EKG or an EEG. We are very familiar with those in reading the frequency of the brain and the frequency of the heart, but every cell in your body has a frequency. And we can look at that, we can work with that frequency. So when we put your entire frequency together, that's as unique as your thumb print, as a fingerprint, right? So, we call that your cellular blueprint, and that is unique as like your cell phone number. So if I dial your cell phone, I should be able to get you anywhere in the world. So, Einstein was the first one that talked about quantum physics, and he called it spooky science. And NASA, I think about three years ago was able to, for the first time, photograph two cells interacting on completely opposite sides of the world. And they labeled it as spooky science. Einstein spooky science is proven. And I mean, we know this. We don't have to have it captured on film, right?

0:45:41.4 Dr. JoQueta Handy: If you think about somebody and all of a sudden they call or text you, or a mother's intuition, a parent's intuition. Why is that? Because that's part of your DNA. And even without that DNA piece, just the frequency of love that you're connected with your child. So there's a knowing prayer. Same thing, what did I experience in Rome? It was prayer of 3000 people having the same intention. So, that's the collective that we share. And again, in psychedelics, I say, I had a cerebral knowledge of unconditional love, a cerebral knowledge of this connection of frequency, but it wasn't until psychedelics, the healing, I didn't know that I needed, that I was able to feel that and know that on such a deep level. So basically, yes, that's... It can be done remotely, so telemedicine through that quantum physics connection. It can be done in person, through a biofeedback and electrode connection.

0:47:06.5 Joseph Anew: Okay. What did your entry into psychedelics look like, JoQueta?

0:47:12.0 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Well, [laughter] that was fun. I was the one that everybody says, Oh, yeah, I did. I tried mushrooms in college or... I did it. I came from a very fundamentalist Christian background of thou shalt not. And so, I didn't have that experimentation, but from my work, I've always just been fascinated with the brain and research and brain chemistry. And so, I think it was around like, 2016, the Johns Hopkins research on psilocybin. I was just kind of obsessed with it. And Michael Pollan's book, How to Change Your Mind. Loved that. And so, again, as I shared with... When my case load in 2020 kind of took a dive, that was when I said, I know that this can help. I've read the research, it's there. How can I begin to use this and share this with my patients and in my practice? And so, that was when I reached out and started the certification process diving deeper. But I felt like, well, you can't coach something that you don't know about, right? That you haven't tried.

0:48:48.1 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And so, I began to kind of go through my laundry list of psychedelics and dragging my husband along with me. And we have five children, but we're empty nesters. And so, we called them silly Sundays, and just [chuckle] the two of us together exploring the psychedelic list that I had. And it was literally the healing that I didn't know I needed. I started on this journey for my patients, because I was fine, right? Yeah. And it just... It opened up so many layers from experiences with MDMA and a very... Realizing that there had been a very, very, very closed door around sexual abuse when I was a teenager, and it was so closed off, I didn't even think it was real when I went through the experience. And I actually had to go to family members and say, Did this happen? Why was this so vivid to me, but yet, I can't remember it, it doesn't seem a part of me?

0:50:13.5 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Psilocybin, and the pieces and parts that that brought up a past resentment that I had carried for years, belief systems at an ancestral level. And so, I began to... When I started on this journey, I was wanted to be very transparent and open with my case load, and so, I shared openly with about 4000 of our patients that, hey, this is what I'm going to do. I don't... I realize that this is not for everybody, and if you don't wanna be a part of this sharing, then, great. Fine, just let me know. And so, about probably over half of our case load said, yes, I wanna be a part of it. And so, I began to just blog in newsletters to our case load of, this is what I experienced with MDMA, and this is what I experienced was psilocybin. This is what I experienced in Costa Rica with Third Wave.

0:51:22.3 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And that in itself was very healing, and it was wonderful then to see the response of different people. Yes, I have that issue, I've suffered with that. And it didn't mean that everybody went and had a psychedelic experience, but it opened up conversation and even conversation within my own family, where I never thought that, that would be okay to talk about. So healing, healing, healing, [chuckle] on so, so many levels.

0:52:00.4 Joseph Anew: Well, it's very courageous as a doc to just put that out there and just tell everyone... Because you don't know what people might think. And I think that hangs up a lot of people and kinda keep... A lot of people I think, even after, even if they're docs or whatever, just... As they begin to have this healing, there's this part of them that really wanna share that experience and put it out there and then there is this other part that's a little afraid, what if my job finds out or even your kids, like your kids must have had... When silly Sundays began, where your kids like, mom and dad are out of their minds.


0:52:39.5 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Maybe a little bit. I have one son who... Our fourth son, who actually came and was part of... Helped me start Brilliant Blends, the adaptogen company. And helps me... He's kind of my right hand in the workshops that I've done. But yes, one of the things that I realized, it was a belief system that I had brought in as a parent, and it was very ancestral-based was, I grew up on a farm in Oklahoma, and there's always work to be done. And so, it was get up, get out, get over it, just... It's no time to lay around and just have a little pity party. And so, the belief system that I took on from that as a very young child is, your feelings don't matter. Don't talk about your feelings. Just get out and go to work. And my grandfather used to say, there's nothing that some hard work won't cure.

0:53:38.5 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And that was a belief system, again, that was passed on from my grandparents to my parents, to me, and I passed it on to my children. And our daughter at the time was pregnant with our first grandchild and I went to her and I said, I'm sorry, it's too late for you, but let's end this generational belief system. Let's not carry this on into this infinite soul that's about to come into the world.

0:54:08.3 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And I had all of our children together and I just apologized. I was like, I'm so sorry that I imposed this on you and your feelings do matter, and we do need to talk about them. And I was ready to have a little intervention right there, and they just looked at me, and they're like, mom, please stop doing so many mushrooms. I'm like, wait, no, [laughter] that's not the point. So yeah, we were able to laugh about it, but still, I think it's so important. And with my daughter and son-in-law, what I shared was, yes, you're planning the nursery and all the preparation that goes into having a baby, that's so important. But I think one of the most important things that you can do as a couple is come together and just talk about what do we not wanna bring in as parents? Where are those ancestral lines that we just want to severe and end right here with our family? And I think that's one of the most incredible healing things that you can do as a parent.

0:55:19.9 Joseph Anew: I totally agree. I've got a 3-year-old and another one on the way, and I'd be curious, JoQueta, in terms of the Quantum. I've had this feeling like, it's my kids that are bringing... Maybe in other words, that baby might have brought the medicine to you [laughter] and said, I'm coming in here and I wanna make sure this line is healed up. And so, from a... Do you have any quantum around these souls that are coming into the world now, and all the change that's occurring? To what extent are the souls bringing it, and to what extent are we preparing for the souls? Are we doing the work ourselves? Does that make any sense?

0:56:03.3 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Oh, my gosh, what... First of all, I just wanna take a moment with that one, that is a beautiful thought. So well said and wow, thank you. [chuckle] Thank you. I sure hope so. To answer your question, I don't have the right answer for it. But I hope that as for us that are doing this work, whatever title we wanna carry, light workers, healers, I really hope that we're taking a moment to just contemplate that question that you just asked, because I think it is so, so important. And just like I shared in the way that the quantum works, that collective energy, the consciousness. What a change that we can have, one can have, a hundred can have, a thousand can have on creating that ripple effect within that positive change within the consciousness. And I think it is being called for and needed more than ever right now.

0:57:32.0 Joseph Anew: I think so. I think it's an amazing time to be alive and to be bringing kids into the world. And there's such a benefit too. And that's in this day and age you talking to your daughter and the generational stuff stops now. And we're at a generation where, or a time and place where we can have those discussions. And I feel like your father, your grandfather, if they said anything close to that, 60-100 years ago, everyone would have thought they were wild. So there's this incredible opportunity with the challenge, with the adversity, with the... I think before we put the recording on, you had mentioned and you alluded to it a minute ago, and that's that you had always had a practice that was rather low on prescriptions, a low-medicated client population. And then suddenly during COVID, that kind of went sideways.

0:58:32.9 Joseph Anew: And that's when you began to explore Psychedelics personally and also potentially as a therapeutic for this population that's clearly struggling. And so there's this time that we're in where there's so much pain and there's so many people grasping at medications or alcohol consumption, sugar, all of the things, but it's also with that extreme and polarity, there's this extreme where we can... There's this openness to talk about things and to speak to things that I don't know in previous generations before us have ever really been able to speak about at the level we can today. So there's this polarity going on where there's like, we're maybe the most disturbed and the most opportune at the same time. And so that's kind of beautiful and interesting. And I think that it's daunting, though. I think that the boat ride or the raft from this camp to this camp, is that kind of where Quantum Biology comes in, Quantum Neurofeedback?

0:59:42.8 Dr. JoQueta Handy: I think so. Again, it's a 40-year-old technology. So it's been here. But have we understood it at the level or had the acceptance, the openness to it that we have right now? I've seen a huge shift in that just within my own little bubble over the past, I would say 2-3 years.

1:00:13.8 Joseph Anew: Yeah.

1:00:15.3 Dr. JoQueta Handy: When I first started with this, it was like, "Oh, that's voodoo, that's witchcraft, that's... " And I get it. It's still, how does it work? I'm not a 100% sure, but I don't know exactly how a cell phone works either, but I still use it. So I think, again, yes, we are shifting for the good. [chuckle]

1:00:43.8 Joseph Anew: That doc that told you you were crazy for telling people to not eat bread and gluten, you should have said, "Wait until you see my Quantum Feedback machine.

1:00:53.9 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Right.

1:00:54.9 Joseph Anew: If you think I'm nuts for not eating bread, wait until you hang in the Quantum zone." So JoQueta, can you tell me about Brilliant Blends, this supplement company? You're specializing in adaptogenic compounds, or adaptogenic herbs. What role are these supplements playing in your practice?

1:01:21.1 Dr. JoQueta Handy: They are used a lot in my practice. Mainly I'm working with, I think where I hear the most positive feedback is around REM sleep. And most of us, REM sleep is when we dream and most of us don't get REM sleep or don't get enough REM sleep. We need at least an hour, two hours is even better, a night. And REM sleep is important because that's when 60% of your brain detoxes. And so that beta-amyloid plaque that leads to dementia and Alzheimer's.

1:02:06.0 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And right now, I'm being asked to speak on anxiety and mental health just in the past month, a lot, so. And when we look at the statistics around mental health, what they're saying with Alzheimer's is by 2040, one in every 36 people over... Oh, sorry. One in every three people over 65 will have Alzheimer's, and that's not even including dementia. And right now we're seeing 40-year-olds diagnosed with Alzheimer's. And so if something as simple as REM sleep can help decrease those numbers or even prevent that statistic. I think that's a huge piece. And I would say sleep is probably one of the most consistent complaints that I hear from my caseload at all ages. And so Adapt is built around anti-anxiety, calmness, increased memory and REM sleep. It was also just to honor as I said, autistic children are just here to be our teachers.

1:03:32.9 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And so to honor all that they have taught me, all the Westons in my life and that they have taught me over the years, I chose the most researched adaptogens for the formulation of Adapt. Because as I said, what works for autistic children works for everyone. So when I say that people are like, "Oh, I'm not autistic." No, I get that. But again, do you have memory issues? Do you have sleep issues? Do you have anxiety issues? Okay. Then let's learn from some of the children that have the worst of those and what helps them. And then ENRICH was built to honor their parents. Because what I found in 2009, when I worked with the Brain Treatment Center here in Newport Beach was, and we did hundreds of blood flow brain studies, is that 50% of the parents with an autistic child have PTSD. And so ENRICH is built around the most researched adaptogens for PTSD. So working on mood elevation, focus and attention, and energy levels. And it also works the best when stacked with Psilocybin.

1:04:57.1 Joseph Anew: Yeah. You've got the Niacin in there and some Lion's Mane and Cordyceps and that's amazing. Yeah. It looks great. Thank you so much for sharing. They look like great blends. And you said you actually designed this one to be... You were hoping to put Psilocybin in there, right? But a lawyer got a hold of you and said, "Doc, don't risk everything."

1:05:23.0 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Yes, we'll keep it 100% legal. Absolutely. But it works... What we're finding is that it works so nicely with recovery. And right now I think in the Psilocybin arena, we're not talking about recovery. So again, going back to the autistic population and why do they not do well with Psilocybin? It's because of the recovery piece. And I know that they're not the only one out there suffering from that. And so in using this, in stacking it with Psilocybin, but also using it on a daily basis, even on your off days, on your recovery days, it helps with the uptake of Serotonin and GABA and just the overall regulation around brain chemistry. You also don't get, for some people that are saying, "I can't wait to micro-dose on my off days. I can't wait to start microdosing again, or I feel a real drop in energy or a drop in my mental state on the days that I'm not microdosing in using a combination of Adapt and ENRICH it seems to keep a consistency so that you don't feel those drops.

1:06:40.7 Joseph Anew: It's really interesting. And I don't think... We hear about the drop from MDMA, right? We got to take the Alpha Lipoic Acid and the Magnesium, and we gotta do all the things with the MDMA because maybe 5-HTP or whatever you're doing in the days that follow, but not a lot of people talk about the recovery from Psilocybin. It's not as prevalent. So you're saying that in the autistic population, they have a particularly challenging drop or can after Psilocybin that maybe folks aren't as privy to.

1:07:14.7 Dr. JoQueta Handy: So their serotonin levels are naturally low. 'Cause again, we make 95% of serotonin in our gut. So how many people do we have out there with gut issues? A lot. And so I think the recovery piece needs to be supported more. Somebody may write it off as, "Oh, that just didn't work for me. Oh, I had anxiety when I did it." And so we start playing with a lower dose, a lower microdose or we might change the strain. I'm finding a lot of times it can go back to just depleted serotonin levels to begin with. So in working with... One, working on the gut prior, as I tell my patients, "Not everybody is healthy enough to microdose." And a lot of times that has to do with gut integrity.

1:08:14.9 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And so we know that mushrooms, medicinal mushrooms like Lion's Mane and Cordyceps and Reishi and Turkey Tail, they're amazing at supporting our immune system, at supporting digestion, and at helping us regulate serotonin, especially like with Ashwagandha. So I think it's an important thing to look at just knowing the majority of people that have gut issues like autistic children, and probably because of that have lowered serotonin levels that possibly might affect their recovery.

1:08:57.1 Joseph Anew: That's really interesting. And I think that gut... I was just talking to somebody last weekend about vitamin D and they're like, "I'm taking all kinds of vitamin D and my level is still at 20 or whatever it is." And the sort of recommendation and sort of what came up is like, "Okay, try to take this liposomal vitamin D because your gut probably just can't handle... Even if you're taking all sorts of vitamin D, your gut doesn't have the bacteria or the enzymes to actually use the white powder in the little capsule. So you gotta do some other version, maybe an injection or something to try to move the needle on the levels. And I haven't really thought about that in terms of Psychedelics and mushrooms and Psilocybin.

1:09:40.1 Joseph Anew: And it's like this prerequisite of gut health to get the most or to have the safest experience. It's almost like another element of a safe container, is like, "Is everyone's gut healthy?" So JoQueta, what do you use? I know there's a something called The GAPS Diet. That's a sort of autism-based maybe diet. What sort of gut health protocols or recommendations might you have for somebody that's kind of perking up right now as we're having this conversation?

1:10:12.4 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Sure. Well, I think it's not... One size doesn't fit all. So for sure, being able to look at each individual person is important. But if we're just kind of going off of, what is a general cause that we have right now? One of my favorite researchers is Dr. Stephanie Seneff from MIT. And I followed Dr. Seneff for about 10 years in the autism world. And she was one of the first to talk about glyphosate, which glyphosate is just round up ready times 10. And it's in our food. It's in our vaccines. It's in our water. It's in our ground. Dr. Seneff got some controversy several years ago when she said, "There's no such thing as organic."

1:11:08.8 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And she wasn't trying to say, "Don't support organic farming." Yes, 100%. We should support them because they are only doing the best that they can do. But our ground is toxic because of the amount of glyphosate that has been poured into it by the tons starting in 1992. And so because of that, the glyphosate that is in our bodies, and she proved with autism. What she did was she just took a algorithm. Her background is in Computer Science and Biochemistry. And so she just developed an algorithm based on what the CDC reports every year of the amount of glyphosate being used. And then she took five disease states, autism, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and Alzheimer's. And she just let it run. She wasn't even sure.

1:12:14.4 Dr. JoQueta Handy: At the time, she was just interested in glyphosate. Most of her studies are self-funded. So it's not being backed by Johnson & Johnson or something like that. She just let this run. And what she found was that there was a one-to-one correlation with the increase in those five disease states and the amount of glyphosate that was being used. And so that's when she really began to speak out about glyphosate and started making predictions in what we were gonna see in our overall health state. She hasn't missed a prediction in 25 years. And what she's predicting right now is pretty bleak. And so in looking at glyphosate and being especially in our processed foods like children's cereal is a huge one. I use by Kellogg's and General Mills. And but again, it's in a lot of things, not trying to pick on them in any way.

1:13:22.8 Joseph Anew: They can afford to be picked on.


1:13:25.2 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Right. Yeah. The more that we can focus on a plant-based diet with lean proteins is way better than fast food and processed foods. And in terms of helping the gut, helping serotonin levels, that's a huge piece. And that's really the way I think that everybody should eat. I use a lot of those diets when I'm working with detoxing patients. But what I tell people, I'm like, "This is really the way you should be eating all the time." And I think that, again, that's another area where we are becoming much more aware and making changes. Where I live here in California, we have so many alternatives around natural foods and restaurant choices. We have a home in Kansas, not as many choices there. But I see that this is it... People, again, are much, much more accepting when I make these recommendations than they were especially five, 10 years ago.

1:14:45.2 Joseph Anew: Right on. And they're even doing now, occasionally, you'll see the glyphosate residue free sticker on things which is...

1:14:56.0 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Yeah.

1:14:57.9 Joseph Anew: Oh, oh.

1:15:01.2 Dr. JoQueta Handy: We hope that's true.

1:15:01.3 Joseph Anew: We hope it's true. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Well, the next level... Yeah.

1:15:05.5 Dr. JoQueta Handy: I did a raised garden for the first time at our home in Irvine. And I have a small backyard, not a lot of space. And so I have this beautiful raised garden. I'm so proud of myself and the soil that I picked out and everything. Then I started reading about... So I started composting. And I was like, "What's the primary reason that you compost besides fertilizer?" Well, in this article that I read, it was about that it will protect the plants against glyphosate in the water. And I'm like, "Oh, I didn't even think about that one." So I go and look up Irvine and their water is the second worst in the state of California. 180 chemicals. And it was like 24,000 or something like that, parts of glyphosate. And I'm like, "Oh, my gosh, here's my beautiful garden that I thought that I just took every little care and precaution."

1:16:10.0 Dr. JoQueta Handy: And because I was watering it from the hose, I'm like, "Oh, gosh, I just contaminated everything." So glyphosate just as Dr. Seneff was saying, in the United States, there is no such thing as organic anymore because of the toxicity in our ground and in our water. And yes, it's better our food choices, instead of choosing our top five GMO foods, and making those different choices. Yes, that is helpful. But to say glyphosate free food. Okay, hopefully.

1:16:49.8 Joseph Anew: I just closed on a new home, and literally the first thing we're doing today is installing this massive whole house water filtration and structuring system, so that at least that exposure Austin, Texas doesn't have great water either in... In California, there's a lot of pesticides and such, but maybe one thing that listeners can take from the show too is like take care of your water, the water that comes into your house drinking tap water, 'cause even if you're buying organic and doing what you can and looking for glyphosate-free stuff, even if that doesn't exist, but if you're just to go in and drinking tap water at home and bathing in that water, then my goodness, it's not to create a scenario where people are like, oh my gosh, I lose over there I lose over there, but it's sort of the state of the world is like, you can't live in a bubble, but that may be taking care of that water at home now, that to me is a big takeaway for folks.

1:17:47.4 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Yes. I would agree, for sure. We've gotta do what we can.

1:17:50.2 Joseph Anew: We're water and the frequencies getting back to the neuro feedback and the quantum feedback, like our water is very... It must relate, our bodies are all water, and so when you were describing being able to find points in the body that are maybe a little operating at a lower frequency, the body's water has to have something to do with that, right? Like the ability of the frequency to penetrate.

1:18:17.5 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Yes, absolutely. It is so important, and to think that it's this hard for us to find clean water. It's just unbelievable.

1:18:32.0 Joseph Anew: Yeah. Well, JoQueta, this has been awesome. What did we miss? What haven't we talked... Is there a patient population we haven't talked about, is there... What did we miss? [chuckle]

1:18:45.8 Dr. JoQueta Handy: You asked such great questions...

1:18:47.4 Joseph Anew: What else would you love to share.

1:18:47.4 Dr. JoQueta Handy: But I am still stuck on the one about how you were saying, our infinite souls coming in and our responsibility to that, that just really, really touched me, and that is an awesome responsibility, but one that we can assume and that we can change.

1:19:14.8 Joseph Anew: Well, your story about being in Rome at the Vatican with 3000 people praying. And so whether I'm bringing kids into the world right now, I have... In a month from now, I'll have two sons, and there's that role that I'm playing and I'm also trying to contribute to the collective, but really my focus is heavily on them and my wife and creating this container that we live in, but if somebody listening is not having kids or not choosing, it seems like the collective, how do we contribute over there, I think those are the two things I'm really taking from the show is just this extreme importance to focus on our family and maybe some of these souls that are coming in, but also the power of the collective that I think right now is maybe so wounded and divided and maybe not seeing eye to eye and those people praying, where you could actually feel the energy from a block away that... Wow, okay. So we all play a part in that, and if those people were not praying and they were fighting and bickering with each other, you might have felt that energy too, and so this important sort of responsibility we all have to concern ourselves with our family, but also the collective, I think is the takeaway for me from the show.

1:20:35.7 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Absolutely, that just coming... I call it coming home, but as you called it, know thyself and coming into our true being, and we're all here as infinite souls to experience, to grow, but we're also here to serve, and we do that service the best when we come from a place of unconditional love, and so can that be something that we grow and we share as a collective, yes, it is. And without doing anything. That's some of the greatest healing.

1:21:20.2 Joseph Anew: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much JoQueta and your websites. You've got, right?

1:21:29.9 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Dr. JoQueta Handy. Yes. Is one of them. Brilliant Blends. My brilliant Blends is another one, and then for workshops, that one is 3C-O-S, 3cosevents, and the Co.'s just stand for connection community and coelevation. But on there is where I mentioned that I've shared my own story of just the healing that I didn't know that I needed, and so that might be a helpful place for some listeners to go and check out.

1:22:13.1 Joseph Anew: I love it, I love it, JoQueta, I'm on your sites now, so we've got 3, the number And then you've got, and then you've got your personal website. Is it or

1:22:38.4 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Is it coming up as Dr. Handy?

1:22:39.2 Joseph Anew: I think it's just coming up as

1:22:41.4 Dr. JoQueta Handy: I think so. Thank you for that clarification. [laughter]

1:22:41.4 Joseph Anew: For anybody listening, are you accepting new clients right now? Kind of in California, you live in San Clemente or Irvine, that kind of area, or you're doing digital. What kind of work do you do with folks?

1:22:58.1 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Sure, so our practice is in Newport Beach, and I practice with my husband, we have Handy Wellness Center. He's a chiropractor, and then I'm the natural integrative medicine. And as I shared that's we are... Primarily the practice now is Quantum Biofeedback and supplementation and diet on that side, but yes, we can... I have patients that I've never met, so I work with patients in Australia and India and across the United States. So yes, I'm happy to speak with anybody that might need help or any way that I could help.

1:23:41.5 Joseph Anew: That's beautiful. And between the events and the medical practice and the supplements, it seems like you've got most of us covered, so that's terrific...

1:23:50.9 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Thank you.

1:23:51.0 Joseph Anew: Thank you for sharing. JoQueta this has been just such a fun show, and thank you so much for carving out the time for our audience today and yeah, I just... I'm so grateful that you shared your story with us and you were so open to share and just tell us your stories of your patients and yourself, and I just... Yeah, I really appreciate you being here and thank you so much.


1:24:13.6 Dr. JoQueta Handy: Oh my gosh, it has just been a huge honor, thank you for allowing me this time and to share.

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